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fpsclasico project financial support

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hey hi everybody

well after already more than a year running these adminless related services on its own and since it looks like lately I've been quite active at the support at this board I believe that finally it came the time to bring this post here and share this.

ok, first let me start saying that this is not about spam you (that I hate) for money or scam you with shit like F2P gaming models (that i hate, even more) or with cheap lies like over priced services (i.e. reselling) or ("imaginary") issues, no, I've never done shit like that and I could tell that before resort to shit like that I would rather close this instead, and neither this post means any kind of "warning" of any sort since as I write this (November 2017) I can guarantee you first hand 100% sure that these services are already paid to run at least for another year more (i.e. November 2018) and even after that if nothing really changes (i.e. this keeps working reasonably good) I'll be most likely looking forward to keep them running anyways.

so, once cleared that at the same time I also know well from experience that in the long term is a important factor here to bring some financial support too then before fuck all this up with some shitty advertisement models (that I won't either) I believe this mean to be the most appropriate. finally, with this thread I'm not trying to start a discussion about this matter (this thread will even be locked) or even telling what you should do (that is none of my business), with this I'm just giving you the freedom to support this project (or not) just if you want and know that whether option you freely choose it's totally up to you and I'll be totally fine with that. it's not the purpose of this to starting treating people differently based on who gave and who didn't give money for the servers (and this also specifically means, don't expect anything other than what you had already got in return either, if you do, then please, do not send me any money).

if you have read this far, thanks for your time, and also know that if you finally decide on your own to support this project know that you can do it in the links down bellow this paragraph and that any amount for low that is, be it 3, 2 or just 1 buck, matters so don't feel bad about that.
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  • paypal.me/adminless (<-- preferred does not have fees, use this whenever possible)
  • paypal.fpsclasico.de (fail-safe in case you don't have paypal/doesn't work, it also accepts credit cards and recurrent payments)
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Re: fpsclasico project financial support

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well after 5 months of starting this thread I believe that is time for a small report here about the financial matters and I also come with good news here, although the number of contributors have been mostly low, just 3 people, at least during these 5 months a total of 50 euros of contributions have been made which doesn't suffice to cover the cost of running this website but at least covered the cost and full budged of running the UnFreeZe game servers on its own so major props and thanks to these supporters. as a consequence of this and as a compromise to the people who support this, the main server has been properly escalated to get rid of those long standing issues so it has now more cpu and more resources which will raise the standard and will smooth it under those evening heavy loads, targeting the current 10€/month budget (if someone wonders here the website target budget is of 20€/month instead which I also believe that is a important service here) and the secondary/backup one will be moved to a spare dev/backup machine at another data center/location for better coverage and improved long term availability whose cost (as well as personal/development etc etc) we're not going to account for now.

not trying to pressure anybody with this but I also must say that in the long term for this to really work I would really like to see more people getting involved with this than just always the same guys that have to carry with everything, nevertheless I remark once again, feel free to do whatever you want, I'm not telling you what to do, I'm simply reporting me here and making this post at least to publicly thank those guys who chose on their own to help this running with their own money.

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ok, I think that after almost 7 months it's time for another report here about the financial matters. so results for this interval of time have been worse than the previous report, this time just 40 euros of contributions have been received on this almost 7 months but only from 2 sources which one of them stopped playing here and thus ended up being mostly just only one source during this period. on the long run, at this level of quality, unless a couple of more guys join as financial supporters, either regularly or just casually, this is obviously unsustainable. coincidentally thanks to the higher integration of the services after this season migration work here (another of the reasons behind it) this level of support has been enough once again to fully support the (equivalent part of the) well know UnFreeZe server that it's almost exclusively the reason why we're all here. however that being said unfortunately things turned out differently as I had specified them and there's more than just that and after the migration be it for some reasons (not always at my fault) or another ones I basically ended paying virtually the same (on absolute terms, on relative terms I more than doubled the value of the products themselves). to sum up you here so you can get an idea of the current costs I'll drop here now a schema with the different services and their budgets, keep in mind that unfortunately as usual due to rogue competence I can not post here all the exact details, however I believe that it should suffice to get an idea. then the current costs go like this (on whole numbers):
  • main server:
    • description: fully dedicated (let's remark it, that I'm really fed up of people's non-sense, get your facts straight) enterprise grade server at the core of central Europe by number 1 Deutschland dedicated servers' company
    • cost: 30€/month (UnFreeZe/FreeFUn game servers proportional cost 8€/month | web services proportional cost 8€/month)
  • backup server, low-latency south west route, masters rank game server, former web services park:
    • description: fully allocated (let's remark it, that I'm really fed up of people's non-sense, get your facts straight) professional grade high availability cloud resources by number 1 European hosting company
    • cost: 10€/month
  • low latency south east route:
    • description: small dedicated (let's remark it, that I'm really fed up of people's non-sense, get your facts straight) fully virtual server by a leading south east European hosting company
    • cost: 5€/month
  • domains (adminless.ovh, unfreeze.xyz, oclockservers.uk, fpsclasico.de, fpsclasico.eu):
    • description: adminless.ovh, oclockservers.uk and fpsclasico.eu by number 1 European hosting company. fpsclasico.de by number 1 Deutschland dedicated servers' company. unfreeze.xyz by a international leading registrar.
    • total cost: 28€/year [eq. 3€/month] (.ovh cost 3€/year, .de cost 4€/year, .uk cost 5€/year, .eu cost 6€/year, .xyz cost 10€/year)
  • total cost: 48€/month (close to 600€ a year)
luckily I got good deals on some of those things and also on some of them I managed to get extensions from old services so hopefully most of them are already paid to run at least for around a year more. but anyways for the most part as can be seen after some time it ends up being big money in particular all the fancy "extra" (but unfortunately well needed) services like the low latency routes and in less amount the bunch of extra domains for safety countermeasures. so like I said I'm not writing this message now in a "hey I need your money or I'll close these things" way in order to threaten you or something, I remark once again most of those things are already paid or are planned to be paid at least for around a year more, I'm just giving you a information so you can know how this goes. in particular I can tell you right now, that I'm ok about paying myself for the main server and a couple of spare domains (i.e. 30-35 €/month) however for the rest of the extra services (in particular the low latency routes) to keep running on the long term you should probably start contributing some money now as I can tell that I don't really see me keep paying for them well after let's say 2020 or so, keep that in mind.

well and that's it with this financial report, I hope it helps those indecisive guys to make their mind about contributing with some financial help here and that overall at least a couple of guys become financial supporters from time to time because as you can see if someone just by chance could think that I'm making (or I'm gonna make) some money out of this, it's totally wrong, you would actually have to donate like 4 figure numbers just to break even and that even not to count the endless amount of hours I spent on this to ensure that it runs 24/7 always with the maximum quality. in the end it can fairly be said that you wouldn't be "contributing" with any money for any severs, you would actually be spending money on some quality servers yourself (just as you actually spend it on quality equipment).

hopefully at least no money got lost on fees during this period so just to finish the post remember you that you can freely send me money for these services at this address, paypal.me/adminless, or if you prefer just the paypal address for this is, paypal(at)fpsclasico.de (notice that it changed from the former adminless.ovh domain).

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btw something that was raised to me by a user this morning and that I had missed to account for and that I had overlooked here is the fact that not every EU state member has adopted the euro as its currency as well as the fact that although this obviously mainly targets Europeans it's also played on other places of the world like north america for example and therefore not everybody here it's comfortable making money transfers on euros that apparently it was the only currency my paypal account accepted at the moment. then now to account for that fact if I didn't get it wrong I added support for any relevant paypal supported currency to my paypal account so now you should be able to send money for the servers on your local currency or just on any relevant supported currency of your choice. it should work "as is" just by selecting the appropriate currency on the recommended fee free link, paypal.me/adminless, but in case it does not work or you just can not use that link (don't have paypal for example) or you simply want to make you contribution recurrent, I created the following paypal direct links on the local currencies for you to use on these cases:
and that's it, hope that helps, if anyone else has any more problems or any other question feel free to drop a message at the contact form here.

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ok, after a very long time not writing here, I think that after more than ten months since the previous report is time to drop an update here. so this time I have surprisingly good news, during this period a total of 177.54 euros and 15 US dollars were raised from 5 different sources, which on whole numbers it roughly translates into about 20 euros per month of financial support. 20 euros a month is probably around the commercial price of running only the UnFreeZe game server (from where the contributions are coming) as well as this site (including the stats) both with reasonable, adequate quality settings, so this is finally a goal archived for this period. great job guys, this level of support ensures that even on times of hardship it should be possible to keep running this and of course it ensures these servers keep running just as they are doing for another long time.

as summary, there was a total of 9 contributions during this time averaging 19.73 euros and 1.67 US dollars and the peak contribution was of 80 euros. out of the 15 US dollars received about 10 were used directly to pay for the unfreeze.xyz domain (which run on american company) and the whole rest of the money was used to pay directly for the servers themselves (under the common European market). just a few cents were lost altogether on fees meaning an spectacular financial efficiency (beyond 99%). but anyways don't let this positive figures discourage any potential new contributor, know that every amount, even if small, add ups and it definitively matters.

so that's it for now, I must admit that I'm a bit confused to find out that many (if not probably most) of the long standers at the servers never dropped to spend just a couple of euros (or whatever their local currency is) at least once on the servers in more than two years already. but anyways, whatever the case is, thankfully the current level of financial support here is finally good enough both in number of contributors as well as in volume of contributions and thanks to that I make this post to express my gratitude for this and encourage the community to keep it up.

great job guys :thumbsup:

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ok, following this season new infrastructure changes I consequently update this thread to reflect the new costs of running these services. first start saying that I believe that is as important as spend enough money on this to have a minimum degree of quality guarantee as is to not end up overspending without sense. with that in mind, and always looking forward proving some better end user services, I proceed this season to replace the former low latency routes by just one better (comparable to the main one) alternative route as well as close the currently irrelevant adminless.ovh domain. that domain costs weren't all that significant (just happened neither it was) however the former low latency routes clearly were. both routes together almost account for a third of the total cost of all the services together and in relative terms they cost about as twice as the main game servers alone they serve while only bringing back close to a third of the traffic (which is about the traffic respective to the regions they targeted). in simple words, they were overpriced and, to some extend, already outdated/irrelevant products and they unquestionably bear an overcost for the project.

being aware of that, I've spent some good long time looking for some solid quality alternative until I finally got a new alternative route that can serve almost about everyone at a much more adjusted price (comparable to that of the relative part of the servers they serve and about a half of the cost of the both former low latency routes together). not only this change resulted in a cost reduction of close to ten euros a month (i.e. about a 20% off over the total) that it even results in a much better service quality overall with this route now providing close to half the traffic (which now, yes, it's proportional and adequate to its cost). then finally this cut the total cost of all the services run here to exactly 38.86 euros and 0.92 us dollars a month as taken from the bills themselves including any single extra fee, tax, charge and everything or just in whole rounded numbers simply 40 euros a month. overall I feel like this is now about the best budget you'll can ever get and adequate for what we run here. the only margins for improvements on this aspect I'd see are probably in the order of just a few euros at most over this, definitively nothing significant.

well, while we are at it let's also drop a report of the money you've sent during these last five months now. this time a total of 129.22 euros and 10 us dollars were received from five different sources in seven transactions averaging 18.46 euros and 1.43 us dollars. that equals to a support of 25.84 euros and 2 us dollars a month. these are excellent figures and while they still don't account for the total sum after this cost adjustment they are definitively starting to get very close to it so I'm very grateful to anybody who gave and helped make possible to run this in the long term, thank you very much.

finally remember that anyone who want to give have the links to do so at the top of this thread as well as on the links tab and that any amount counts. also if you've got any questions, issues or anything with these links/processes don't hesitate to contact me about it.